tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post4616468009775697651..comments2023-06-05T01:03:41.867-07:00Comments on Preserving Marriage for California's Future: YES for the ChildrenChrista Jeannehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09841320887356797524noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-85124828814890732422008-10-18T22:12:00.000-07:002008-10-18T22:12:00.000-07:00thanks, Christa. =)thanks, Christa. =)FS Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15955781931193234545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-9567983830585113682008-10-18T21:16:00.000-07:002008-10-18T21:16:00.000-07:00Yes, Carrie, you have. And I appreciate it. :)We a...Yes, Carrie, you have. And I appreciate it. :)<BR/><BR/>We approach the issue from vastly different perspectives, but despite our opposing stances, I can appreciate and respect your passion on the issue - even if we agree to disagree. I really appreciate your civility in discussing this and wish more No posters could do the same.Christa Jeannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09841320887356797524noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-74218248921455601842008-10-18T20:35:00.000-07:002008-10-18T20:35:00.000-07:00"i don't really think tom and pomo and chino blanc..."i don't really think tom and pomo and chino blanco are really interested in an honest, sincere discussion."<BR/><BR/>That's exactly what we are interested in. Problem is, they are hard to find.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139711818373541945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-52661158325555159302008-10-18T17:08:00.000-07:002008-10-18T17:08:00.000-07:00er excuse me, agree to keep things civil.er excuse me, agree to keep things civil.FS Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15955781931193234545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-36505036422308446112008-10-18T17:05:00.000-07:002008-10-18T17:05:00.000-07:00I understand feeling defensive. As a person who ca...I understand feeling defensive. As a person who cares about glbt rights, I feel personally attacked by this proposition. It attempts to take away rights from two of my closest friends, who just got married the day the Supreme Court overturned the ban. It's VERY personal to me, and feels like nothing less than an attack. That's how I feel when I see these posts about "preserving" the family and "saving" it from same-sex marriage: attacked. So I would imagine that for a gay person reading this site, they don't feel they're bringing any negativity in-- just responding to it. But I can surely agree not to keep things civil, as I hope I have so far. But even though this site isn't for us, we're here, because we care about the issue.FS Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15955781931193234545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-73518988974949447672008-10-18T14:14:00.000-07:002008-10-18T14:14:00.000-07:00i don't really think tom and pomo and chino blanco...i don't really think tom and pomo and chino blanco are really interested in an honest, sincere discussion. they are very good with argumentative posts. they post similar things on lots of prop 8 discussion blogs (as someone who blog surfs all the time). they are interested in destructive debate for their own agenda and recognition.<BR/><BR/>i really appreciate what you ladies are doing. don't back down. thank you for being brave.<BR/><BR/>and for pomo's first question about God not honoring his good desire to be a dad: you need to take that up with God himself. <BR/><BR/>The only answers anyone can give pomo is what God has told his prophets: unfortunately there is no model for same gender marriage. <BR/><BR/>Regardless of religion. I still think it's okay for a union between a man and a woman to have a seperate name. It's okay for society to encourage this relationship because it's the best for children, and the most stable (and yes we need to work on the divorce rate).<BR/><BR/>If pomo adopts, honestly, that is up to him. I applaud his desire to help children.emi.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04504837123208426967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-47197219175576473472008-10-18T13:54:00.000-07:002008-10-18T13:54:00.000-07:00fs carrie, I agree that there was no negativity in...fs carrie, I agree that there was no negativity in that post, but how about this one from the same person?<BR/><BR/>pomoprophet said, on another post-<BR/><BR/><I>oh dear...<BR/><BR/>poor Karly is so scared she doesn't know what to do but feel like a victim that some great evil in society is going to ruin her lovely little life.<BR/><BR/>I've never understood what Christians are so afraid of. Or is she Mormon? What are Mormons and Christians scared of?<BR/><BR/>Churches being FORCED to perform same-sex marriage! That is such a crock. We have a little something called the 1st amendment.<BR/><BR/>"Any child [that] does not accept all marriages are same would be construed as breaking the law" Ha! This is so beyond reality that I can't help but laugh.<BR/><BR/>And you wonder why gay people hate organized religion. Because you pretend to be nice and even have "gay neighbors" but then you write outright lies to local papers and instead of trying to reach gay people with love you try to outlaw it so you feel safe.<BR/><BR/>How horrible.</I><BR/><BR/>That's very condescending, and although the comment was not directed at me, it was to a very close friend of ours, so it is offensive. We just want you to respect our views, as we respect yours. Respect does not mean condoning actions, and just as you don't condone ours, we don't condone yours. That does not mean that we can't all get along!<BR/><BR/>We may pretend to be above it, but when the NO on Prop 8 people attack us personally, it hurts.Hizzeatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08966655615720069555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-494354524652893222008-10-18T13:15:00.001-07:002008-10-18T13:15:00.001-07:00Aubrey!!Love the post! I want to comment as a moth...Aubrey!!Love the post! I want to comment as a mother how important that prop 8 and Prop 102(AZ) passes. I do not want my children learning in school what is contradictory to what my husband and I will teach in our homes in kindergarten! If these props do not pass it will leave the meaning of Marriage open. Marriage is sacred and It is an eternal bond meant for a man and a woman. Children are meant to be born withing the bonds of marriage to a mother and father who love and respect one another and who will instill those values to their children.McMemorieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757242843359381007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-50286540153625250082008-10-18T13:15:00.000-07:002008-10-18T13:15:00.000-07:00Aubrey!!Love the post! I want to comment as a moth...Aubrey!!Love the post! I want to comment as a mother how important that prop 8 and Prop 102(AZ) passes. I do not want my children learning in school what is contradictory to what my husband and I will teach in our homes in kindergarten! If these props do not pass it will leave the meaning of Marriage open. Marriage is sacred and It is an eternal bond meant for a man and a woman. Children are meant to be born withing the bonds of marriage to a mother and father who love and respect one another and who will instill those values to their children.McMemorieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757242843359381007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-30425527873233350832008-10-18T13:09:00.000-07:002008-10-18T13:09:00.000-07:00Aubrey! Love this post! You are awesome! I wanted ...Aubrey! Love this post! You are awesome! I wanted to add as a mother how strongly I feel that prop 8 and prop 102(AZ) needs to pass. I do not want my children learning in school what is contradictory of the moral beliefs that my husband and I will teach in our home in kindergarten! If prop 8 and prop 102(AZ) does not pass it will leave the constitutional meaning of marriage open ended. Marriage is sacred and was meant to be an eternal bond between a man and a woman. Children are meant to be born in the bonds of marriage to a mother and father who love and respect one another. Our vote will certainly be be YES!McMemorieshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07757242843359381007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-9036383358806094022008-10-18T12:56:00.000-07:002008-10-18T12:56:00.000-07:00i agree 100%. thanks for such a touching post.i agree 100%. thanks for such a touching post.thttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05491880907733176971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-29113665256670358182008-10-18T11:36:00.000-07:002008-10-18T11:36:00.000-07:00I'm trying to find the negativity in this post:As ...I'm trying to find the negativity in this post:<BR/><BR/><I>As a gay person I desire to have that too. And to raise my child as a moral, productive member of society.<BR/><BR/>The only difference is I'll get the blessing of taking a child who is unwanted and unloved and giving them a stable, loving enviornment to be raised in.<BR/><BR/>How can God not honor that?</I><BR/><BR/>I think we are all here because we would HOPE these issues are up for discussion. If it isn't, why post about it?FS Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15955781931193234545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-22132674789128204602008-10-18T08:27:00.000-07:002008-10-18T08:27:00.000-07:00Tom; I don't think you read exactly what Aubrey wr...Tom; I don't think you read exactly what Aubrey wrote...she in no way told you to leave our blog. She simply asked you to not be so negative towards us.<BR/><BR/>I understand your passion for this issue very well, as I have equal passion...just not for the same side. I would think I was being very rude if I went to a NO on 8 blog and foolishly thought that I could convince them they were wrong. Obviously if someone has set up a blog and took so much time to post as we do, we have thought long and hard about the issue and have made our decisions.<BR/>Your comments will not change that. Aubrey took a long time writing this post, even getting pictures of children who are very special to her. I would think she would be upset for that to be attacked. I myself don't take it as personally...your arguments only make me feel stronger that I am on the right side.<BR/><BR/>The people who have commented about no on 8 on this blog, you are very welcome to your opinion, but very arrogant about it (I know the signs, as I see them in myself quite often! ;). You can see why this would offend some of us.<BR/><BR/>By all means, keep commenting on this blog. Just know that it may be a waste of your time trying to convince people who are just as decided as you are.<BR/><BR/>I can't wait for November 5th when we can all get back to blogging about puppies and rainbows and shiny things. :) ha ha! This is very stressful, and both sides are feeling the strain. Whatever the WILL OF THE PEOPLE decide on November 4th, I will abide by that.Hizzeatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08966655615720069555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-85693933035538951412008-10-17T23:12:00.000-07:002008-10-17T23:12:00.000-07:00Ladies - thank you for conducting such a great for...Ladies - thank you for conducting such a great forum! It really seems like you've looked at and thought about this issue a lot, and that helps me because I'm still looking at everything and trying to understand what's going on. Thank you for all your comments as well as your courage, it's very helpful!Rosannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12792510052009266933noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-10250904062596342392008-10-17T23:00:00.000-07:002008-10-17T23:00:00.000-07:00this article is really interestinghttp://article.n...this article is really interesting<BR/><BR/>http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDFhMjk0YjI4NzgyZGM4NjMxZmY4NTQwZWNjYzkzYjg=#moreemi.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04504837123208426967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-4229156541652667582008-10-17T22:46:00.000-07:002008-10-17T22:46:00.000-07:00In all my blogging on this issue, I have never see...In all my blogging on this issue, I have never seen a Yes on 8 poster asked to leave a No on 8 blog or not to comment. It only seems to happen THIS way. It's only the Yes on 8 folks who seem to need to silence dissenting opinions.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139711818373541945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-51040305688186664332008-10-17T21:19:00.000-07:002008-10-17T21:19:00.000-07:00Same sex couples should seek these rights--just no...Same sex couples should seek these rights--just not through applying the term "marriage" to same-sex unions.<BR/><BR/>I think it's okay if a union between a man and a woman has separate name.emi.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04504837123208426967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-11783809709268506162008-10-17T20:21:00.000-07:002008-10-17T20:21:00.000-07:00And yet, here we are!And yet, here we are!FS Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15955781931193234545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-25232388389658976872008-10-17T20:17:00.000-07:002008-10-17T20:17:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.FS Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15955781931193234545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-89131753719078690942008-10-17T18:13:00.000-07:002008-10-17T18:13:00.000-07:00Dear No voters. This site was not created for you...Dear No voters. This site was not created for you. It is not a place for you to dump all your negative thoughts and banter. It is a place for uninformed voters to come and learn more about the Pro side of Prop 8 and why we, as supporters, are voting YES on this prop. Please leave your nagativity for your own sites. Thank you.Aubrey Messickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11005462831935715995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-10139899985670712442008-10-17T17:31:00.000-07:002008-10-17T17:31:00.000-07:00Actually, civil unions are NOT the same. Because o...Actually, civil unions are NOT the same. Because of the terrible civil inequality, domestic partners have to carry around a document proving they are legally partnered to be given certain rights. When you are married, you can jump in an ambulance when your spouse is injured. You have automatic hospital visitation rights when your spouse is incapacitated. Your rights are not questioned and cross-examined, as they are in this patronizing concept of civil unions. Thank god that California at least has the laws that it does, but it's still segregating and backward.FS Carriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15955781931193234545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-52166430573344778512008-10-17T17:25:00.000-07:002008-10-17T17:25:00.000-07:00Pomoprophet -- I'm just quoting you so I can refer...Pomoprophet -- I'm just quoting you so I can reference as I write:<BR/><BR/>"RENEE- if same sex couples can already adopt and nothing will change but a "title" then how is prop 8 hurting children exactly? Because they'll grow up with a title that confuses them from what the church teaches?<BR/><BR/>The arguments are falling apart here ladies... you're contradicting each other."<BR/><BR/>Promoprophet -- I think you're assuming that my views are identical to others who posted. If I contradict them, it's because I didn't write their posts and it wasn't my point they were making (or visa versa). <BR/><BR/>I didn't say the title or status of marriage hurts the children. My view is if Prop. 8 doesn't pass, the teaching of children at school w/o parental input (because what some view as a moral issue would be legal to teach w/o parental consent) would hurt the children. <BR/><BR/>Chris -- Thanks for being so respectful in your discussion. I agree with you that the taxes, even on a federal level should be the same. I have no problem with the civil union being equal in that way.Reneehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04163112177764869671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-8933954673402283752008-10-17T16:41:00.000-07:002008-10-17T16:41:00.000-07:00"If Prop. 8 passes, the same-sex couples will not ..."If Prop. 8 passes, the same-sex couples will not be denied the same benefits that married couples have - - they already have those rights (or benefits) under the Domestic Partnership law in California. The same-sex couples do not need the title or classification of "Married" to give them those rights."<BR/><BR/>Renee -<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the clarification. First, though domestic partnership is VERY close to marriage in legal terms, there are still a few differences, primarily in terms of taxation and inheritance.<BR/><BR/>But but you know as well as I there’s something profound about the relationship to which we give the name “marriage.” If it wasn't, why would people be fighting over it? (Though it seems a bit odd, fighting over a word that no one actually "owns." It's not like there are only so many marriages to go around!)<BR/><BR/>What I'm saying is there is something important about marriage. At least to me. I was married on Monday. <BR/><BR/>In addition, I am projecting a bit, thinking on a federal level. All couples need to to be able to have access to federal benefits, too. Social Security for example, or immigration status.<BR/><BR/>But thanks for paying attention!Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03139711818373541945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-22151082731698063412008-10-17T16:25:00.000-07:002008-10-17T16:25:00.000-07:00PROUD MOMMY- you sound very scared to me. And you'...PROUD MOMMY- you sound very scared to me. And you're still not addressing the issue. You say it is best for a child to have a mom and dad. I agree with that. But how is same-sex parenting harmful to children who otherwise wouldnt have ANY parents? Or who might only have ONE parent and then dont get to learn about love and committment and compromise?<BR/><BR/>RENEE- if same sex couples can already adopt and nothing will change but a "title" then how is prop 8 hurting children exactly? Because they'll grow up with a title that confuses them from what the church teaches?<BR/><BR/>The arguments are falling apart here ladies... you're contradicting each other.Pomoprophethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16365996287266677853noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1578051917982449134.post-43167415816023750652008-10-17T16:08:00.000-07:002008-10-17T16:08:00.000-07:00http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/10/17/185451...http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2008/10/17/18545109.phpemi.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04504837123208426967noreply@blogger.com