Saturday, October 25, 2008

Especially for Christians

15 And when the servant of the man of God was risen early, and gone forth, behold, an host compassed the city both with horses and chariots. And his servant said unto him, Alas, my master! how shall we do?

16 And he answered, Fear not: for they that be with us are more than they that be with them.

2 Kings 6:15-16

Modified picture of Samuel the Lamanite


Heather said...

i love it!!!! gives a good perspective of what we are battling.


Michelle said...

Ohh.. this is the most disgusting thing I've seen all day.

Your whole fighting for the kids thing was at least decent,
but please don't say God agrees with you guys.

Not my God.
Not the God I trust to love people.
Not the God I trust to make sure thing turns out nicely.


Anonsent said...

The use of crusades is probably not the best example. The whole Europe vs. Arab image will not go over so well.

FS Carrie said...

oh my. What an embarrassingly bad PR move for you.

How small and petty you've made your god.

Kerry said...

I get the point you're trying to make, and I'm glad you're working hard for something you believe in, but this is a little offensive.

Christa Jeanne said...

This has nothing to do with the crusades. Samuel the Lamanite was an ancient prophet who was shot at from a city wall by the people to whom he was sent with a message - and, honestly, it's not unlike how some of us Yes on 8 people feel these days, being constantly criticized and attacked at every turn for what doing what we believe is right.

I would never in a million years attack a No on 8 person - they're entitled to their opinion, as I am to mine. But I've heard stories of Yes on 8 people being assailed with water bottles and bleach as they stand on street corners with signs, or of countless Yes on 8 signs being slashed or altogether removed.

As for the scriptural reference, when you drill down to it, that is why many people are Yes on 8. We may have socioligical arguments to support the decision as well, but faith is at the root of it. And that's not a bad thing, either. Thank goodness we're in a country where all can worship when, how and what they may.

The definition of marriage is hardly petty - but it's pointless to argue from a faith perspective with someone who isn't religious because it's like speaking another language.

Hizzeather said...

I truly do not enjoy offending people, but I believe that those who are going against God's wishes will be offended no matter what I say. It's sad that my taking solace in the Bible and in the Gospel would offend you, but I would rather offend you than God.

I wish we could all be on the same side. I have lived my life to recognize when the Spirit of God is whispering to me what is true. He is telling me what is true now, and I am acting on it. I'm sorry you don't feel the same way, but that is the beauty of this wonderful country. We all have the freedom to research a topic, share our feelings, and vote. I'm voting YES on Proposition 8.

emily said...

Go Team!

We love Samuel the lamanite.

As you can see...all he is holding is a sign. (not any weapon) (neither is he flipping his assailants off).

Eric Dane said...

Fear Not for we are Get'n Er Done!!!!! Yes on Prop 8!

Tara and Bob said...

I love this picture for what it is and what it stands for. I actually posted it on my blog!!

Keep up the momentum everyone!

Great job team!!!

FS Carrie said...

Yes, I find this offensive too, Kerry. I find your god-- the one you've developed-- very offensive. Fortunately, I'm quite sure that this god-- the god who wants to break up families so heterosexuals won't feel uncomfortable-- does not exist. I am truly offended. It's okay to be offended.

Julie M. said...

One side is acting peacefully and steadfast, while the other side is attacking with violence. Which side would God be on, and where would Satan be?

I'm on the Lord's side, the YES on prop 8 side.

Michelle said...

Oh but Julie, I'm no on eight and not attacking or violent.

I've seen several "Yes on eight! Don't be GAY!" signs.

So I could flip it as well - if our side is peaceful and yours is hateful, which side is Satan on?

Christa Jeanne said...

Michelle, did you miss the post with pictures of swastikas spraypainted on the home of some Yes on 8 people? Have you not heard of the countless incidences of Yes on 8 signs - private property, mind you - being stolen from people's homes, or of Yes on 8 bumper stickers being ripped away? How about the drivers of cars with Yes on 8 bumper stickers being flipped off or, in one case, run off the road? (That happened to a friend's dad, so it's not just hearsay.) Have you not heard of Yes on 8 protestors being pelted with bananas, bleach and water bottles? (Again, I heard those from the people who were attacked - not just rumors.)

Because those are the stories I'm hearing - far more of those, which involve actual violence and crime, than some rude Yes on 8 signs.

I am in no way endorsing rudeness from the Yes on 8 crowd, either - respect for ALL is my stance - but I haven't heard of any actual crimes going down from the Yes on 8 crowd. Correct me if I've missed something.

Michelle said...

Christa Jeanne said...

That's definitely awful, Michelle, and I wouldn't endorse that behavior in the least - but, while inconsiderate, it's not violent behavior. Crappy, for sure, but it's not the same as physical damage, assault, death threats, etc. From what I can tell, it's a fairly isolated incident, too.

FS Carrie said...

My mom's friends (a married, same-sex couple) had No on 8 signs out on their lawn, which were stolen. Their cars were then egged, and FAGGOTS was written on their driveway in chalk. They felt very frightened and threatened, and when they called in the police, they were told they got what they deserved, considering their "deviant" lifestyle. Though these things are awful, it doesn't prove anything about the validity or invalidity of the Prop 8 argument. Neither does the actions of some No on 8 folks.

And, incidentally, although the egging and the chalk writing are frightening and offensive, I doubt they are as serious a threat to the couples' sense of fundamental right as the proposal to vote on and ban their marriage.

FS Carrie said...

incidentally, there is also this, if we really need to make the case that people have chosen violence on both sides:

But I'd rather talk about the concepts, since none of us is being violent to one another.

Christa Jeanne said...

I'm so sorry to hear about your mom's friends, Carrie. It really bothers me when people stoop to such hateful and intolerance on either side of the fence. Our arguments should be able to stand on their own feet without resorting to such horrible acts.